[theBCnut]

sharfie

You can use the same method, but you may have more conversions to do depending on what you are trying to figure out.

[sharfie]

Thanks Patty. I am trying to figure out the calcium level for a 5 month old large breed puppy who is eating canned food.

[theBCnut]

You need to call the company and ask for the “as fed” calcium level. That should be a percentage. And you will need to convert the kcalories per can to kcalories per kilogram. Then you can figure out the grams of calcium per 1000 kcalories. You want it to be under 3.5gm calcium per 1000kcal.

[Wildcat_1]

Hi all
I
have been reading this topic and the dogfoodadvisor reviews with great interest as I am about to welcome home a new GSD pup. I want to start on a higher quality food than I used in past (Blue Buffalo) and this current pup supposedly is on Eukanuba large breed puppy.

Hound Dog Mom did some great work and without her spreadsheet this would seem like an even more impossible task 🙂 I also read with interest the threads about calcium levels and was about to pull the trigger on Orijen Large Breed Puppy until I saw the potential issues there with calcium. So, with that said I narrowed it down to Annamaet as the one I want to try, specifically Salcha.

Once i looked into local availability I found a company producing something with the same nutritionalist as Annamaet and thought I might give that a try.

This particular company has a couple of products one of which is a grain inclusive puppy specific (28% protein min, 17% fat min, 3.5% fiber, 1.16% calcium dry) specific, the next is an all stages grain free (turkey, chicken, catfish) which is 29% protein, 14% fat 3.5% fiber 1.49% calcium or they have a grain free duck and bison which is 30% protein, 16% fat, 4% fiber.

The questions I have are:

1) Grain free or grain inclusive for puppies ?

2) If grain free as puppy I assume there are still grain free solutions for when they get older (needing leaner food etc) ?

3) Better to go with puppy or all stage food in general ?

Thanks so much all

WC

[theBCnut]

Whether or not you go with a grain inclusive or grain free food doesn’t matter too much as long as it doesn’t have a ton of it and the dog does fine on it. Many of us use growth foods for the life of the dog. There is nothing in a growth food that an adult can’t have and often the growth foods are better quality at the same price. Growth and All Life Stages are the same thing. If a food meets the requirements for Growth, the company can choose to have it labeled for All Life Stages.

I would not use a food just because the same guy that formulated another food, formulated it. Make sure it has less than 3.5gm of calcium per 1000kcal.

Have fun with your pup! I love GSDs.

[DogFoodie]

Hi Wildcat 1,

Congrats on the new puppy!

What brand of food is it that you’re referring to? Maybe we could take a look at some additional information about the product to get a better idea of its overall quality.

[Wildcat_1]

Thanks Betsy & Patty

Here is the link to Colorado Natural Pet, you will see they sell Ammamaet (not Salcha unfortunately), Precise but also have their own CNP food which is what I am referring too. Its made at the same processing plan with the oversight of the receipe by the same nutritionalist as Ammamaet. The difference is that CNP is made to order every 4 weeks, uses less packaging and passes on the savings by the looks of things. Please do let me know your thoughts as I really do appreciate the feedback

I have asked them to provide me the amount of calcium per 1000 KCAL and should have that info soon

http://www.coloradonaturalpet.net/shop/product-category/dog-food-2/

Thanks

WC

[Duke The Boxer]

Hey patty im sorry to bother you but i have been looking at the list over and over and i cant decide what to get. I wanted to switch from chicken and turkey as that has been his last 2 foods and i believe he is allergic to turkey since his nose and feed are pink always. I was looking at the pet pantry buffalo and duck dog food. also i was looking at zignature trout meal and also i was looking at the earthborn meadow feast and costal catch. Can you please maybe recommend preferably a beef or fish based dog food? I would love you forever 😀 and this isnt specific to Patty anyone who is reading this and has a large breed dog please chime in what food you have used that isnt chicken based

[theBCnut]

I love Earthborn, so Coastal Catch is easy for me to recommend. I’ve been very curious about Fromm’s Beef Frittata and Salmon Tunalini, but I haven’t tried them yet. If you are not staying grain free and price is no object, Carna4 Duck would be high on my list. Also look at Annamaet’s foods. They are a good company.

[Duke The Boxer]

yup no real preference to grains cuz he did super well on the chicken and rice formula of nutrisource and the dr tims so he is good with grains. i will definitely look into the carn4 duck formula. I really would love to feed duke annamaet but they are pricey -_-

[RescueDaneMom]

I’m not sure if you are feeding grains or not. I’ve fed my big guy Annamaet and Earthborn Holistic with great success. My grain-free picks from the list would be: Annamaet Aqualuk (fish), Earthborn Meadow Feast (lamb) or Earthborn Coastal Catch (fish). Canine Caviar Wilderness (venison) or Open Sky (Duck) look good too- never personally fed this brand but I like the looks of it. My grain-inclusive picks would be: Annamaet Option (salmon and venison) and Victor Select Lamb Meal & Brown Rice. I’ve never heard of Pet Pantry dog food so I googled it. It looks like a pretty good food. I think the Buffalo and Duck would be worth a try. I’m currently feeding The Honest Kitchen and raw to my Dane and he is loving it. The Honest Kitchen Love is beef (though it’s pricey). Let us know what you end up with and how it goes. 🙂

[Duke The Boxer]

i would love to feed duke the annamaet aqualuk formula but its so expensive for a college student like me -_- i do eventually want to try the salcha but i want to try another protein thats not chicken for dukes next bag. i will probably either get one of the earthborn formulas or the pet pantry food. In all honesty i just want a food that is rich in meat protein and not so much the fillers and plant proteins.

[kms]

Augie’s vet appt was yesterday. He is 38 lbs (gaining about 1 lb every 7-8 days). He has had diarrhea for last 3 days for no apparent reason (no pattern, no changes). The nearest “change” to that was when I reduced the probiotics from Theraputic dose to Maint about 3 days prior to that. So yesterday, they tested him again for everything (hook, whip, Giarddia, Coccidia, Clostridium,….). They tested a stool I brought with me – plus they took a fecal. Both stools came back clean except for a little Clostridium. Vet said he feels that he has had ongoing bouts of colitis ever since the antibiotics back in Oct. Even despite trying 2 different foods, adding probiotics, digestive enzymes and pumpkin, it has not resolved. Vet sent part of the fecal to an outside lab to see what they can find. It will take 7 days for results. If they do not find anything, he thinks we should see a specialist and they will prob want to do a colonoscopy.

I’m trying to see if the diarrhea resolves itself, but seeing no improvement. Today was same thing. The vet gave me a prescription for SMZ Tmp, just in case the diarrhea does not improve in the next day or so – but I fear that will just make it worse. I don’t even know what to say at this point. He’s eating, drinking, playing, sleeping normally – and no vomiting at all. I still hope he just needs a combination of healing and a food that will agree with him, but that is looking less and less likey every day. Right now, he has full blown diarrhea and that worries me. I do have a tube of Pro-Pectalin (he took that to help solidify the stool when this first started back in Oct) , but I really hate to give him anything new at all right now.

[Duke The Boxer]

kms i know you didnt want to try another chicken based food but id really recommend trying nutrisource large breed chicken and rice. duke went from straight diarrhea to firm stools within the next day of going to nutrisource. Its not something that i stayed with nor do you have to stay with it but maybe it will help stabilize his stomach and firm his stools enough to get a regular routine. just a thought

[Wildcat_1]

Hi there, just checking back in, any thoughts, comments etc on the food I posted the link to at Colorado Natural Pet ?

Thanks all

WC

[dragonflyswirl11]

Hi all,
What great info here!! I was wondering what people thought of Earthborn Puppy Vantage for our 11 weeks old Great Dane/Lab mix? Does that have too much calcium in it? Thanks!!!

[theBCnut]

Since there are Earthborn formulas on HDM’s list, I would assume that Puppy Vantage did not make the list because it has too much calcium.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?srcid=0BwApI_dhlbnFTXhUdi1KazFzSUk&pid=explorer&efh=false&a=v
Coastal Catch and Meadow Feast, both, made the list.

[davinoj]

Hi all, we are new to this terrific post/forum. We have a new Bouvier des Flandres puppy coming home in two weeks. We fed our last one from the ACANA line and wondered why none of their products are included. The Pacifica in particular has a great ingredient list, no fillers and has the right calcium and phosphorous amounts and ratio. It seems to fit. Here is the analysis from their website. We’d like to know if this is ok for our puppy. Also, the ‘Singles’ Duck & Pear also looks good except the protein is at 25% and perhaps a bit low. Here is the Pacifica info:
Crude protein (min.) 33%
Crude fat (min.) 17%
Crude fiber (max.) 5%
Moisture (max.) 10%
Calcium (min.) 1.5 %
Phosphorus (min.) 1.2%
Calcium: Phosphorus Ratio 1.3:1

[theBCnut]

One of the important numbers with calcium is grams of calcium per 1000 kcal. This is a better determination of how much calcium the dog is actually getting. It needs to be under 3.5gm of calcium per 1000kcal and all of the Acana line, as well as the Orijen line, is too high.

[davinoj]

Ok, davinoj again, on second look the calcium looks a bit high. We are struggling because we are trying to feed a product without any fillers like tomato pommace or “natural flavors” in the listing and can’t seem to get a product with everything in it. I guess that’s why some go Raw. We just don’t have the time. We seriously need some help trying to decide. Also, we need to avoid chicken and turkey we’ve been told for our Bouvier and to stick with foods they would have had in the wild such as beef and fish. Help!

[theBCnut]

Earthborn Holistic Coastal Catch might be the closest to what you are looking for. I’m not sure if Meadow Feast will do, it’s lamb based. I’m not sure if they have natural flavors, but I know they don’t have tomato pomace. If they have natural flavors, they are less likely to be something totally gross and unnatural. You might also look into Fromm Salmon Tunalini or Beef Fritatta and see what they have. Fromm is known for the quality of their ingredients, but off the top of my head I don’t know what other protein sources might be in those two, if any. Good luck!

ETA: I just checked Fromm and they use tomato pomace.

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[kms]

duke the boxer –

Thanks – I’ll look at that but I hesitate about grains because I read several places that that they’re inflamatory and not good for colitus dogs. The diarrhea did start aroud day #5 on the NVI Rabbit (so maybe it’s the food?) – but it also coincides with when I stopped the double doses of theraputic Probitoics and went down to maint (so maybe it’s that?). I talked to the vet tech who ran his stool the other day and she said that he had a “moderate” amount of Clostridium in it “more than is normally found”. So it could be that too? or a combo of them all????? She said they are really stumped.

I have been reading about how digestive enzymes can sometimes cause diarrhea in dogs with Colitus, so i stopped them on Fri night to see if anything changed. It has only been 24 hrs, but no change so far – still 100% diarrhea.

I can give him anti-biotics (SMZ TMP), but I know that they could be what caused the Colitus in the first place. (Although I was not giving probiotics back then). Or I could change the food again? fast him?

Summary… 6 mo old Weim who has had soft stools since we got him at 9 wks. Has had Colitus for the last couple months after 3 rounds of anti-biotics (for high bacteria in stool). Currently has full blown diarrhea (for the last 5 days) and stool test shows no parasites but a moderate level of Clostridium. He’s eating NVI Rabbit (day #6), taking probiotics but no Digestive enzymes. Outside lab results of his stool are not due till Wed or Thurs.

Pattyvaughn, RescueDaneMom, Duke and anyone else – what do you think? Thank you.

[theBCnut]

Since there is bacteria in the stool, I would go back to the double probiotics, because they compete with the bacteria. I think at this point I would treat for the Clostridium and I would be giving mine oil of oregano capsules(they are a natural antibacterial) even before the antibiotics. Hang in there!!

• This reply was modified 10 years, 11 months ago by theBCnut.

[losul]

KMS- I hadn’t followed what had been going on with your pup, so had to go back and read your entire history.

Antibiotic usage/overusage can become a vicious circle. You might want to google antibiotic induced colitis. The clostridium overgrowth is one thing that can cause colitis from the toxins they produce, although it’s very possible there might be multiple causes.

When you said your pup has had full-blown diarrhea the last 5 days, that would very much concern me. Are you checking to make sure he isn’t becoming dangerously dehydrated? Lift the skin on the back of neck/shoulders. When released, the skin should spring back to to normal fairly quickly. Check the gums, they should be pink. Press on the gums briefly and pink color should return them within a second or 2. Mouth should not be overly dry nor saliva very sticky.

If the severe diarrhea isn’t causing an emergency situation, I would slow down on what you are introducing to him, with the exception of the pro-pectin you mentioned you already have. The main ingredient is kaolin, a form of bentonite clay, that should soothe and coat the intestines. It is also said to absorb toxins and bad bacteria. But you should also be aware that kaolin will interfere with absorption of some antibiotics, and specifically trimethoprin (the TMP in the antibiotic combo you mentioned). Pro-pectin also has one form of encapsulated beneficial bacterium in it. Then I would wait for the outside lab results, and then maybe go for the colonoscopy if advised.

If I were you, I wouldn’t yet even think about adding raw meat to his diet until you can get his intestinal flora back in balance, although a homemade lightly cooked one could be the way to go for awhile….

[lmnordrum]

In humans, Clostridium is also known as c.diff, and is quite serious. As someone who has spent a lot of time in the human healthcare environment, and infection control, and have had family members with this infection, you need to find out what sort of strain you’re dealing with and treat it accordingly.

Going raw is probably not a good option.

[theBCnut]

C. perf is common. And I agree, I wouldn’t go raw until he is healthy.

[RescueDaneMom]

kms-

Here is my two cents. I agree with Losul regarding the antibiotics. I personally think this might have started because of the rounds of antibiotics he had initially. Every time our rottie has had chemo and been on antibiotics afterwards it takes forever for his stool to return to normal. We give him double doeses of probiotics with every meal while on antibiotics and for weeks afterwards before backing it down again. It takes a long time for their gut to get back to normal after everything has been killed off. I don’t think he truly has colitis. I think his system has never been able to get back to normal. I would go back to doing the double doses of probiotics.

Regarding his food, I remember you fed him a bland diet of chicken and rice once for awhile, right? Did his stool get any better with that? I was told that barley has a good amount of fiber and can be better than rice. I feed our rottie chicken and overcooked oatmeal and it works for him. Homecooked food might be easier on his system than kibble right now.

I feel for you. Stay strong. I’ll be keeping Augie in my thoughts. 🙂

[losul]

Actually, the diarrhea can be a defense mechanism to attempt to flush out the toxins. If it were me, for now, I would remove all extra forms of fiber, including pumpkin, and anything else that could slow the transit time through the digestive tract, so the toxins aren’t retained any longer than necessary.

Probably, amongst other things, the outside lab is testing for the various toxins that some clostridium species create under certain conditions.

For now, and temporarily, I would just go with lightly cooked beef, chicken, and plain white rice (most white rice sold in the U.S. is enriched with vitamins). I wouldn’t use any whole grains or anything else hard to digest.

[theBCnut]

When I got cyclospora, they specifically said to let the diarrhea run its course because it was the body’s attempt to flush the stuff out. I ate garlic and oil of oregano like they were going out of style for 3 or 4 days, then continued the oil of oregano for a week.

[losul]

*to late to edit, but I meant to say go with plain cooked enriched white rice. The way I said it sounds like I meant- look for unenriched.

• This reply was modified 10 years, 11 months ago by losul.

[losul]

Patty, yes, the addition of fiber at this point would probably only serve to slow transit time down, to absorb water, retain toxins longer, and then the body would probably have to work even harder, and lose even more water in it’s attempts to flush it out. Just my thoughts.

I don’t have any experience with oil of oregano. Is it safe for dogs?

[theBCnut]

Absolutely!! I always give it and take it with food, because it’s pretty strong stuff. Just google canigivemydog dot com or natural-dog-remedy dot com to learn more.

[losul]

canigivemydog-cool site and bookmarked it. I got a good laugh out of the can i give my dog viagra?

unh unh my dog isn’t getting any of mine, lol.

[dogspotindia]

Hi, Gumbo and Roux Mama-
Ideally for small dog 1-10 kg weight
medium dog 11-25 kg weight
large dog 26 – 45 kg weight
and more than 45 kg is consider as a giant breed .

[kms]

Thank you guys so very much for all the feedback. You have no idea how much this is helping.

As far as dehyrdation…. I’ve been checking gums/skin/saliva daily since diarrhea started and he seems ok. I find that surprising because he has had 1/2 c – 3/4 c diarrhea every 2 hrs for the last 72 hrs (all night long too). Prior to that, it was more like every 3-4 hrs and he did not wake up in middle of night. He has been drinking tons of water and I was giving pumpkin with each meal up until a couple days ago (no pumpkin since Sat night).

I started Pro-Pectalin yesterday. He’s had 2 doses so far. Still having diarrhea, but he only wanted to go out twice last night after we went to bed (instead of every 1-2 hrs like before). This morning, 2 stoools so far – mix of diarrhea, moucous and thicker diarrhea (milkshake consistency). It’s really concerning that Pro-Pectalin interferes with TMP. I didn’t think to look into that because I assumed my vet wouldn’t prescribe 2 things that don’t work together. The last time he did that (Pro-Pect + SMZ TMP) we had already gone through 2 rounds Metronidozole, so maybe he was just grasping.

As far as bland diet…..We started bland (boiled chkn/plain white rice) at the beginning of his 2nd round of Metronidozole (plus Pro-Pectalin). During that week, his stool was soft, runny and had a slimy coating (never firmed up). Then we did another week of bland plus a course of SMZ TMP (plus Pro-Pectalin). During that week, stool firmed up and turned bright yellow. By end of that week, it was formed and a mix of brown and yellow in color. So, for what it’s worth, it seems like the stool did not improve on the bland diet until we started SMZ TMP. (After that, we transitioned to Orijen. Stool got soft/runny during, but firmed up on day #5 of 100% Orijen. Had a week of good stool but then it started to get greasy. That’s when I started Dig Enz’s and Probiotics – which helped breath, gas and volume of stool – but not consistency – stool was still formed followed by soft runny).

The vet doesn’t want to change his diet until we get test results, but I know the kibble isn’t helping. I stopped the Dig Enz’s 2 days ago because I was afraid they were adding to the problem, but it hasn’t made a difference.

So at this point, he’s on kibble + double dose Probitoics once per day + Pro-Pectalin. I have stopped all: pumpkin and digestive enzymes.

Here are my questions:

Would you hold off on SMZ TMP until test results are back – or start them now? I don’t know enough about oil of oregano to go that route yet, but have started reading. Will the combo of probiotics + Pro-Pectalin + compromised GI system be enough to fight the Clostridium without antibiotics (at least for next 3-4 days)?

As far as the “double dose” Probiotics…. the jar says Therputic dose for his weight is 2 scoops per day. Is that what you’d do, or would you do that with every meal (which would be double or tiple what the jar calls for – he eats 3 times per day).

If we stay on kibble, would you add digestive enzymes back in?

What does “lightly cooked” mean? When I make bland, I boil the chicken until completely cooked and make white rice according to the pkg.

Thank you so much.

• This reply was modified 10 years, 11 months ago by kms.
• This reply was modified 10 years, 11 months ago by kms.

[losul]

Kms.
I’m really sorry I can’t answer many of your questions and I’m not qualified to give medical advice. I don’t know specifically what your vet prescribed the SMZ TMP for, if it was even for anything specific. It may not be effective against clostridium? I would ask questions of your vet, before carrying on.

c. difficile and c. perfingens are often culprits in humans. I think c. perfingens more often in dogs.

SMZ TMP (usage in humans) http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-64007-SMZ-TMP+DS+Oral.aspx?drugid=64007&drugname=SMZ-TMP+DS+Oral

“This medication may rarely cause a severe intestinal condition (Clostridium difficile-associated diarrhea) due to a resistant bacteria. This condition may occur while receiving treatment or even weeks to months after treatment has stopped. Do not use anti-diarrhea products or narcotic pain medications if you have the following symptoms because these products may make them worse. Tell your doctor immediately if you develop: persistent diarrhea, abdominal or stomach pain/cramping, or blood/mucus in your stool.”

“Use of this medication for prolonged or repeated periods may result in oral thrush or a new yeast infection (oral or vaginal fungal infection). Contact your doctor if you notice white patches in your mouth, a change in vaginal discharge or other new symptoms.”

About the kaolin (pro-pectin)

Kaolin Interactions

Kaolin pectin may decrease the absorption of drugs that chelate with aluminum salts (eg, digoxin, clindamycin, lincomycin). Until more information is available, avoid taking kaolin with drugs that chelate with aluminum. It may also decrease the absorption of trimethoprim and quinidine.

http://www.drugs.com/npp/kaolin.html

It looks like as long as you separate the doses enough, it may be O.K.

Trimethoprim (Proloprim) interacts with KAOLIN
Kaolin might decrease the absorption and decrease the effectiveness of trimethoprim (Proloprim), an antibiotic. To avoid a potential interaction, separate trimethoprim (Proloprim) and kaolin doses by at least two hours.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-44-KAOLIN.aspx?activeIngredientId=44&activeIngredientName=KAOLIN

The questions about the probiotics and enzymes- I don’t know, but me, I would be leery of using the enzymes at least for the time being.

By lightly cooked meat, I meant cooked only enough to kill pathogens that may be present. The rice cooked per package directions should be fine.

[losul]

Kms. Before you even mentioned metronidazole, I had already guessed that it had begun there. Do you mind me asking why specifically he prescribed metro? Giardia, clostridium, just a shot in the dark for diarrhea?

[BernerdAd]

Hi sorting through all the good information — I’ve come up with a few questions
1) why did Grain Free Canine Caviar Open Sky make the list but Grain Free Canine Caviar Puppy did not?
2) None of the Blue Buffalo dry products made the list at all – why is that.

Ive created some spread sheets and in particular looked at calcium and there are not major differences? At what point do small percentage points — i.e. the difference between 1.2% and !.5% make a difference – I mean statistically what is the variance in these numbers when a food doesn’t make the list by only a few tenths of a %?

3) While numerical data is great isn’t there any sage wisdom out there for specific large breeds? I have Berners (bernese mountain dogs) – on the main website it says ”

“Bernese Mountain Dog owners feed a range of food from raw diet, homemade diets to commercially prepared kibble. No matter what type of feed, Berner owners seem to agree to feed a high quality food with relatively low protein level, approximately 18 -26% and a moderate fat content, under 16%. High protein/fat feeds (> 28%, >16%) can be ‘too much’ for many Bernese, especially those that are not very active working/performance dogs. Feeding a diet that is too ‘heavy’ in protein has been known to precipitate hotspot outbreaks in some Berners. A diet too high in fat adds unwanted pounds and in some cases causes diarrhea.”

So did one study on large breed puppies looking at critical variables protein levels, calcium etc debunk all the sage wisdom from breeders – some of which specifically notice concerns with high levels of protein over 30%

[kms]

losul –

Wow – thanks for all the information. I have been reading all evening! Really bugs me that the vet didn’t instruct me to give Pro-Pectalin and SMZ TMP a couple hours apart. I definitely gave many of those doses at the same time.

The Metronidozole was prescribed when Clostridium (not sure what type) was found in my pups stool (end of Sept). He did 2 rounds of Metro, along with Pro-Pectalin. After 2nd round was completed, the vet said that the Clostridium had gone back down to normal levels – but other bacteria was found also (bacteria that was either not detected originally – or it was something new my pup had picked up). Either way, he was surprised that it had not been wiped out by the Metronidozole, so he prescribed 1 round SMZ TMP. During that round, his stool turned bright yellow and soft/diarrhea for several days and then it became a weird mix of half yellow/half brown and eventually all brown and firm.

[Duke The Boxer]

Patty so im looking more into Pet Pantry and currently am getting in contact with the owner so he can tell me the calcium levels of their salmon formula. The link is below. Unfortunately their buffalo and duck formula that is on HDM’s list is out of stock -_-
http://www.feedyourpets.com/product/TPP008.html

[Duke The Boxer]

i got the email back and the levels is 1.4% calcium, .95% phosphorous, Magnesium .20% for the salmon and sweet potato. I know your dog cant have potato though FreeHoldHound

[BlueEyedGirl]

Hello all –

I just left a message for the health and nutrition person at Now Fresh (Petcurean out of British Columbia, Canada).

According to the main site, their Large Breed Puppy rates 5 stars and according to their label, their calcium content is 1.3% and phosphorous is 0.8%. I requested the ratio for 1000 kcal (in a very bumbling way as I did not have the formula with me as I was at the pet store).

It also has the benefits of being grain free/ gluten free/ different protein than the NutriSource Large Puppy she is currently on.

Does anyone here have experience with this brand/formula?

Also, is it better to rotate product with small bags (8lb or less) or larger bags (14-16lbs).

We are all getting into a groove here and the new pup is loving the Nutri Source. We have seen a huge difference in her stools since we switched! Fortunately for us, she did really well so we have pretty much transitioned her straight into the 2nd food already from the Hills Healthy Advantage.

Thank you again for your support for a newbie!

D

[RescueDaneMom]

I’ve used Petcurean with my adult Dane. I prefer the Go! formulas over the Now but I have used both. If it turns out that the calcium is acceptable, it would be a good choice to use in rotation. I think the bag size you use should be determined by how quickly you use the food. As long as you go through the food fairly quickly there is nothing wrong with getting the bigger bags. I rotated food every 4 weeks.

[theBCnut]

Duke

If one of their foods made HDMs list and another didn’t, it is because the calcium is too high, so that formula must be lower calorie or something.

[Duke The Boxer]

Hey Patty i saw your post on the review and i totally rememeber your formula but some of their recipes dont have the metabolizable energy on the analysis. I am emailing the owner of the company now. He has been very open answering all my questions so im sure he will let me know in the morning. But the reason i think HDM didnt include it in her list is because the new recipe has not been reviewed by Mike yet so it failed the requirement of being at least 4 stars. When i was talking to the representative today that got me in contact with the owner, she said that the new grain free salmon recipe came out after the buffalo and is their newest formula.

[Duke The Boxer]

Regardless Duke is getting EB Coastal Catch on thursday so we are both super excited 😀 unfortunately i just found a local pet store that carries all the brands that petsmart doesnt. It is a holistic natural k9 store and they have EB in stock for 1-2$ more than online so its perfect that i can pick up a bag locally and i dont mind helping local business

[theBCnut]

I like to buy local where I can. I’m jealous of all these people that have great local options. I have to drive 45 minutes to get to anything worth mentioning. Fortunately that particular business is right by my dog training club, so I’m near it once or twice a week.

You may very well be right about the timing of when it came out. HDM only included the ones that got back to her with the requested info, and if it wasn’t out yet, they would have had a hard time giving her the info.

[Duke The Boxer]

heheh good point 😀 but yeah it has its perks living in such a metropolitan city like Miami. A lot of negatives though -_-

[Duke The Boxer]

Damn patty the ME is 3750 so it equates to 3.7333 g per 1000 kcal. So it Is barrely too much -.-

[theBCnut]

Couple more months and you’ll be able to feed it too.

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